graham gouldman - 5th july 2002

Graham Gouldman

Carl Wayne: By the miracle of communication, we have on the line the brilliant Graham Gouldman. Graham, howíre you doing?  

Graham Gouldman: Hello Carl, how are you?  

CW: Well, Iím fine! So, why thirty years, Graham, after ďThe Graham Gouldman ThingĒ, why have we had to wait thirty years for ďAnd Another Thing?Ē  

GG: Oh, well I was busy doing other things! (laughter from both) I had a few other things to do, and because of 10cc, I suppose, and my work with Wax after that, I felt all the songs I was writing and co-writing went into those projects. Then I had some time on my hands and found that there were a few songs that Iíd written that I really loved and for one reason or another didnít get placed with any other artist. I decided it was time to put them down on another CD.  

CW: I know what youíre doing these days of course, because I worked with you recently, in Belgium, we did a great gig in Genk.  

GG: Thatís right, good old Genk!  

CW: What a great band you have there. Rick Fen on guitarÖ.  

GG: Yeah, itís a great band, Iím very proud of the boys, theyíre wonderful musicians and good friends as well.  

CW: Itís nice though, itís quality stuff, thatís what I like about it, itís really good. Itís like when people come and watch the Hollies, or when you do a Hollies show, one after the other these hits come and you keep thinking ďBlimey, Iíd forgotten that one! And thereís another one, and thereís another one!Ē  

GG: I know, it is amazing. People come up and say exactly that after the shows. Thatís the thing though, we want to remind people, particularly of the music of 10cc. There seems to be almost a reaction against whatís been happening in pop music today. There are people of our generation, if I may be so bold as to put us in the same generationÖ  

CW: Us old boys!  

GG: ..yeah, they want to hear good quality music. Thereís a lot of good mucic today thatís fine, but a lot of our generation want to hear some proper pop stuff.  

CW: Yeah, I agree, thereís a fine line. I find that here on my programme, youíve just got to be careful what  you do play. Is it today youíre doing Epsom, by the way?  

GG: We did it last night.  

CW: How was it?  

GG: It was really good, it was great. It was freezing, but it was really good.  

CW: I did it last year with The Hollies.  

GG: The racecourse is really looking after the punters, you know, they can come and have a great afternoon or evening, and then watch the band as well. Wonderful audience.

CW: I know, I went there thinking I was going to meet Lester Piggott and Willie Carson, but the only thing I saw was a screen! About four horses, and that was about it! Anyway, letís go back to this album, because we played a wonderful track called ďDancing DaysĒ when we were trying to get you on the line. I mean, youíve got some great musicians on this as well, havenít you?  

GG: Yeah, and great songwriters. Most of the songs I have co-written. I like collaboration very much. Iíve worked with people in Nashville, I have a writing partner in Italy, and some people in the UK as well. I like to mix it up a bit.  

CW: Well, itís quality stuff, isnít it?  

GG: Well, we like to think itís quality stuff!  

CW: It is, aye, itís quality stuff, lad! (in his best Yorkshire accent) I mean, when you think of the stuff youíve done, itís all been quality stuff.  

GG: Well, I hope so, I think when youíre writing or performing or whatever youíre doing, youíve got to please yourself first of all. It has to go through your own filter before itís allowed out. If Iím embarrassed about something or think itís rubbish, then Iím certainly not going to let anybody else hear it!  

CW: Thereís another track on here which of course I know, because you sent it to me some time ago, called ďCan Anybody See?Ē which is very Gerry Rafferty, itís lovely. You sent it to me for The Hollies primarily.  

GG: Thatís right, you phoned me up, asked me, and I acted upon your orders!  

CW: Let me just cross this bridge with you, donít you think itís time The Hollies recorded again?  

GG: I think thereís no doubt about it. I would imagine that you would be on a very major label, but there are other important acts that are still recording, and putting stuff out, and selling it, even if itís just via the internet.  

CW: Of course.  

GG: And theyíre selling lots of records, you know, because thereís a market there. And how do you know if thereís a market, you have to try it. But for a band like the Hollies, a classic, established act, one of the backbones of the Sixties, which is the backbone of everything else that followed, then I would say, yes, there is a market for you. As I said to you when we were in Belgium, itís something that Iíd love to be involved in.  

CW: Well, Iím going to twist the boysí arms, because weíre away again over the next week in Germany. Iím certainly going to impress upon them, especially after listening to this album.  

GG: Carl, tell them that you spoke to Graham, heís a little bit upset, he might have to send the boys round!  

CW: We got a boy over here in Birmingham, called Big Albert! Graham, Iím going to play you out today with a great track from this album. I wish you luck with it, it should be a major success. Ladies and gentleman, this is Graham Gouldman and ďAnd Another ThingĒ, thirty years after his first album. You take care.  

GG: Thank you very much, Carl.  

CW: And this is a Graham Gouldman classic song, itís called ďYou Stole My Love"

Transcribed by Helen Macdonald for The Official Carl Wayne Website

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