dave morgan - 5th july 2002

Dave in the studio, 5th July 2002

Carl Wayne: Joining me in the studio today is David Scott-Morgan. Dave's life changed in June 1988 when he became a born-again Christian, as a result of taking his mum to church in Selley Oak. He then began composing inspirational songs. I knew his mother very well, she was a very sweet woman, and Dave I knew as a very fine songwriter. His songs impressed me so much that I persuaded, coerced, bullied Roy Wood into letting the Move record one of Dave's songs as the b-side to "Blackberry Way". It must have been good, because Woody relented! You judge for yourselves how good it was, this is a Dave Morgan classic, and it's called "Something".

Track: "Something" - The Move

There you go, "Something", written by Dave Morgan for the Move. In fact, it tickles me Dave, didn't we do that in Italian?

Dave Morgan:You did!

CW: I did, didn't I ?! Can you imagine the Move in Italian? I must have blasphemed in that! Anyway, good to see you in the studio today, how're you doing? And your lovely wife Mandy.

DM: Alright thanks, Carl.

CW: Yours is an extraordinary career, in fact while that was on we were chatting. You've always been a dabbler, haven't you?

DM: Well, yes, I suppose so. 

CW: Professional dabbler! I remember those days. Later on we got Richard Tandy, but those were great days when you and I used to be together all the time. After the Move gigs you and I would meet at my mother's house, 323 Bromford Road. And if you were there before me, you'd wait and vice versa. We'd play chess all through the night, 'til six o'clock in the morning, smoke ourselves to death, drink constant amounts of coffee.

DM: We went through these periods where I'd win every game, then you'd win every game and then we'd have the best of three again!

CW: I remember your mother with great affection, she was a funny, wonderful woman. I used to rib her, do you remember, because she had the picture of Jesus Christ and the disciples on the wall - the Last Supper?

DM: I sent her that from America. I saw that in New York somewhere, years and years ago and I posted it to her. She put it on the wall and thought it was great.

CW: She was a religious woman though, as my mother is, she was respected.

DM: She'd always bring God into it, especially when you least wanted her to! 

CW: She used to chastise me all the time, didn't she, "Oh, you are a naughty man!" she used to say! And the lovely Joe - Joe died, did he?

DM: He did, yes, in 1988.

CW: So, from the days of songwriting. Going back to this dabbling theme, you invented an aeronautical device, didn't you? Just briefly touch on that, because it was a wonderful invention as I recall. 

DM: Well, I don't know about that...

CW: I should explain of course that you are a qualified pilot.

DM: I'd just got my pilot's license and was faced with this problem and thought it could be solved with this expanding scale, probably relating to time and speed and distance against a map, and figuring it out while you're flying the plane.

CW: It's quite complicated, isn't it, how much time it will take you to get from A to B when you're flying?

DM: It's not complicated if you've got a good head for maths. Of course, however fast you can work anything out on the ground will take you twice as long when you're flying a plane.

CW: Of course. 

DM: Everything slows up. So, I just invented this little gadget to solve this problem. I ended up forming a company to market it and everything and used to employ people. 

CW: Did you sell out to ICI, or did they offer?

DM: No!

CW: They were after you, though? Well, somebody wanted to buy it, didn't they? 

DM: There was a guy in Australia bought it.

CW: So, he now markets it as what?

DM: His son now markets it. It's still out there, it's called The Airworthy Timescale, and I believe it's still available. Keith Wordsworth was the man who bought it off me, and his son is still running it.

CW: Well, when I go over there, I'll see, I'll tell you. You've always been a bright chap. You had a computer software design company, you now have an image design company as well. I should bring in Mandy here, how are you doing?

MM:  I'm fine, thanks. 

CW: And you now, of course, run the Church on the Hill which is at Northfield, next to the Dingle Pub, where you're now a lay preacher. Tell me, just explain "lay preacher". Are you qualified to do funerals?

DM: Why, do you feel one coming on?! (laughter) I have ministered at funerals. A lay pastor simply means someone from the laity, which is the un-ordain masses. I'm not ordained, I haven't been to college, I don't have the papers that you can get to become a Reverend. So, I'm a sort of Reverend, Carl!

CW: You're "irreverend", are you?! (laughter) And how popular are you, have you built this up now?

MM: To a grand total of about fifteen!

DM: It's a small community church. We built it up from nothing. We've been there about three years, and I suppose there's fifteen or twenty people who come every week to the services. They are a very faithful bunch of people. 

CW: And when are the services? On a weekly basis?

DM: Sunday evening, six o'clock, at the Church on the Hill.

CW: Do you perform in there?

DM: I do.

CW: Both of you?

MM: We just lead worship, so we sing some songs, but it's a congregation so it's not really a performance, everybody just joins in. 

CW: What people don't know is that you played with ELO from 1981 to 1986. Of course, you are very friendly with Jeff and he's a great admirer of your work.

DM: Who is?

CW: Jeff Lynne. Well, I think so, because on your CD "Call", didn't he arrange and play and sing on some tracks?

DM: He did, actually. 

CW: And Jeff doesn't really do that for many people, does he?

DM: Well, he has produced quite a lot of people, Carl. But yes, it was something he did for me. I played him all these tunes I'd got, these God songs, and there were two or three he really liked. He plumbed for one called "God's Good Time", probably because it was a real difficult song to arrange. Jeff went to work on it and got a great version of it together. 

CW: You worked with a touring band of ELO, didn't you, from 1981 to 1986? Did you record with them at all?

DM: Yeah, I helped out on "Secret Messages" and helped Jeff out on an album of his called "Armchair Theatre". 

CW: And did you enjoy that?

DW: Oh, yeah! I enjoyed playing on stage more than the recording. Recording, as you know, can be a lot of hanging around, like what Trevor's doing now!

CW: I should explain that Trevor Burton, my old chum from the Move is here! He's in after one, you needn't worry about that!

DM: Anyway, recording means a lot of hanging around. But playing with ELO was a lot of fun, and I've very fond memories of that time, especially the first tour.

CW: Well, I think we should hear "God's Good Time", because I think it's a great track, I think Jeff did a great job on it. It really is a compliment to you that he should get involved because, as you know, Jeff can pick and choose the people that he wants to work with. So, let's hear "God's Good Time" from the album "Call" Thank you both, Dave and Mandy, for coming in today. 

Track: "God's Good Time" - Dave Morgan

Transcribed by Helen Macdonald for The Official Carl Wayne Website

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